DAVE SHETLAR

FEBRUARY 23, 2016:  STRETCH GLASS Made From a Single Mold

Hope everybody is ready for the ‘Tuesday Stretch’!  Here it comes! We start tonight with Dave (BugDoc) replying to Kathi’s question about other items made from stretch candy jars. Take it away, Dave!

Kathi, Galen needs to let you do some more jokes!  ;-)  I didn’t know that my one-night Stretch Glass article was going to “stretch” into the whole week.  But, being a professor, I HAVE to answer questions.  Fortunately, I’m the BugDoc, not Dr. Glass.

Interesting question on the other forms that the stretch glass-making companies made from a single mold!  I plan to cover this in a future Stretch Tuesday, but I’ll answer your questions about the candy jars.  Basically, the glass companies realized that they could make a bunch of different items using one mold and Fenton and Northwood did this with their candy jar molds (except for the lid which required a separate mold).

Both Northwood and Fenton use their covered bonbon bases to make three additional items, a cupped comport, a salver (a low dish with a raised rim) and a card tray.  I’m including compiled image of these items in Northwood’s Russet (one of the colors Renée and I specialize in).

Fenton made a 3/4-pound candy jar (#9) and the base was converted into a wide range of comports (flared, flared-cupped, two-sides-up or oval, square, crimped, card tray).  I’m including a compiled image of some of these in Celeste Blue.  You can imagine the bewildering array of these you could try to collect considering all the colors that Fenton used!

Fenton also made a taller #835 candy jar that has a hexagonal base and the same number of external panels.  The base of this jar was commonly flared and crimped into what Fenton identified as a #574 Parfait (or vase).  This item is also found (rarely) in other shapes.  I’m including a compiled image of the jar and parfait in Florentine Green.

My fellow stretch glass collectors are always looking for these different forms and it really keeps us looking!  In many respects, carnival and stretch collectors often get hooked on the little details!  “We” chuckle about discussions on the number of grapes in a cluster, shape of the bee on Peacock pieces, crimping and foot shapes, but “we” obsess just as much on shapes (rolled rim, flared, cupped) and the different items made from the same mold!  I had a friend some time ago wonder why I had so many Northwood Jade Blue bowls that were the same shape.  I then proceeded to point out that each one had a different size foot, and was, thus, a different number in the Northwood catalogues!  LOL!

Thanks, Dave. Tonight’s header is an electric blue Fenton Leaf Chain plate (coming up for auction at HOACGA in April).

So, let’s see what messages we have tonight.

From: Tim Reaburn

Re: Pattern help

I picked up a piece the other day that I am struggling to identify.  When I bought it I was thinking Blackberry Banded but on inspection I realize that it is not.  The banking is stippled rather than little lines.  It is also on an octagonal base.  One odd thing to my eyes is the way the pattern goes right to the very edge of the hat.  It sure looks like a Fenton pattern to me but I cannot find it.  I would appreciate any help!

Re: Stretch Candy

Here is my favorite stretch bonbon. Well, sort of bonbon as I only have a base and not a lid.  I’m assuming that it had a lid so I keep looking.  I really like etched stretch glass.  It is not something that one would generally expect with carnival glass as there it is all about pattern but stretch glass offers a kind of blank palette that allows cutting to shine.

Re: Stretch Candies

So I like stretch glass.  And I like candy dishes.  Here are a couple of pictures to make clear my addiction...

 

These are my candy bonbons, with the exception of the low Florentine covered candy.  It is just like the footed ones but without the foot.  I am missing the Grecian Gold (marigold) and the Cobalt and the Florentine footed one.

 

And the second picture is my corner cabinet of candy dishes.  I just think that they are so much fun.  The ones not pictured here are the Jade Blue ones as I have my opaque stretch glass together on another shelf.

From: Carl O. Burns

To: All

Re: Latest find

You asked for photos of recent finds and here's my latest acquisition. The sound of my jaw hitting the floor when I found this mind boggling beauty still reverberates around here. This is the large 11 1/2" Imperial Heavy Grape Chop Plate in Purple. These are hard enough to find in any color or degree of iridescent quality, but this one just totally blew me away! They just don't come any better than this! I love the effect of the pink, blue and yellow "flame-like" wreath of colors that encircle the center. 

To: Galen and All

From: Doug and Sue Siska

Subject: Wroda Auction

My gosh Galen... I felt so sorry for you that there weren't many messages for you this week... You shamed me into writing in a auction report... LOL...

Sue and I left on Friday for Wrodas auction on Saturday of over 1400 pieces of carnival which turned out to be even more then he advertised... 

Our trip was two for one... We have been bidding online on Jim's online auctions so we were going to pick up our glass that we had won at his facility...

Sue and I were laughing about how many banana boxes we had in the truck... 12 to be exact, pretty confident I guess???... Well we had to ask Jim for 7 more after the sale was over.... Had to run over to the Wal-Mart to get more diapers for wrapping....:-)... Ended up with 19 full boxes full of carnival... (322 pieces)....It was to say the least unbelievable... Jim had a auction back in November and called it the "HOARDE AUCTION"... This auction was just as good if not better... Tray lots of 5,6 and even more pieces on a tray... We had a blast... As the norm he even fed us... Coffee and pastries in the morning and instead of the normal Pizza for lunch he gave us all a real treat with Micks "MADE RIGHTS"... If you never had one, well, it's a real treat... Can only get them in Greenville, OH.

We purchased everything from MILLERSBURG to Jain vases... I think the folks that were there enjoyed themselves and all went home with multiple boxes full of glass... Water sets, punch sets, vases, bowls, plates - the odd, the normal, it was all there... I believe every color was represented...

These kind of auctions don't come up often so you have to take advantage of them...

Sue and I normally stay overnight on Saturday or at least head halfway home after the auction... I started driving and with all the weight in the truck it felt like driving a caddy... We got to the Ohio PA. Border and I told Sue I felt good and we will take it all the way... Well 9 1/2 hours later we were home... Left at 3:00in the afternoon from Jim's and pulled into our driveway at 11:30 that night... 

Sunday I unloaded the truck and now our log home is filled to the brim... Work begins with cataloging and photographing it... Funny... Now it will be sold and will be dispersed all over the country... Some may go to Australia or New Zealand.... England may get some... Who knows where some of this glass will go?... Jim told us it was from one collector that had 6000 pieces for him to sell... Now through eBay, private sales and some going to local auctions this glass will now be enjoyed by a lot of folks... We love doing it... We have met so many people through carnival... It hedges on what Galen and Kathi asked the other night here in the message board of how many of your friends are carnival people... All we can say is... ALOT!!!.... Yahoo... 

I think most of you must admit that this hobby has given back so much pleasure to us all... 

Which brings me to note that my good friend Jim Z. Went to another carnival glass auction held on Saturday [also at Zettlemoyers in Fogelsville, PA. (Allentown, PA)].... (375 lots),... He told me the sale was very strong... Good pieces with strong prices... The best thing he said that there were a lot of new faces in the crowd... New blood is always good.... The prices must of been good because we left about 60 bids and only won a few... Oh well... I think we have ENOUGH glass... :-)....

Well Galen I hope this helps you out... By the way my friend... Are you and Kathi getting nervous???... HOACGA is just around the corner.... Sue and I wish you both the best on your auction...We can't make it but we will be watching on our big screen... Finally figured out how to hook it up from our laptop... Again Good luck...

Bye  ya all....

To: The stretch glass trio

From: Phil in Phoenix

Thanks for all the great stretch glass info of late. The extensive information on the covered compotes was great.

Here is a picture of a pair of Mae West candleholders that I have had for some time, about 20 years. They are blue and have a definite stretch effect to the iridescence. Sorry I had to take the pictures at night with a flash which makes them look a little silvery, which they are not. I was wondering if this would have been a Dugan or a Diamond product.

To: Carl

Thanks for all of the updates and pictures from the Tampa Convention. Looks like it was a great time as usual.

To: All

Looking forward to the Southern California Carnival Glass Convention in a couple of weeks. Just received the brochure and the glass looks great. Seeing old friends and making new ones is always fun.

From: BugDoc Dave

To: Tim Reaburn

RE: stretch covered bonbons and jars

Wow!  Neat items!  Your Fenton Persian Pearl covered bonbon base with the cut decoration is a new piece to me!  What is especially interesting is that the zig-zag cutting appears to have been made using a gang copper cutter wheel (makes a series of lines in the cutting), but the cut ovals are polished.  “Cut Ovals” is a Fenton exclusive design that was used on their candleholders and some bowls!  Nice piece!!  I suspect that there was a lid that would have also been decorated, but this has been lost over time.  You might try your Persian Pearl bonbon lid on this piece to see if it fits well.  If not, then the base was actually considered a salver and never had a lid!

The normal Fenton and Northwood covered bonbons have a foot, but Fenton made a paneled bowl that used the bonbon lid.  This is their #543 jar.  These are not nearly as common as the footed #643 bonbons.  Northwood didn’t make this non-footed jar.

Your cabinet is full of stretch glass goodies (plus other items)!!  The top seems to have Fenton #636 (1 pound) candy jars plus some 3/4-pound (#9) jars.  I can’t see all the items on the top shelf, but it looks like you have a couple of Northwood Russet pieces (both sides), a couple of Fenton puff jars and a candy jar with enamel interior decoration, gold painted etch decoration and cold-applied iridescence.  I’d have to see this up close to determine if this is Fenton or Westmoreland.  Westmoreland occasionally used the cold-applied iridescence.  On the middle shelf, I see two crystal Lancaster jars (left) and a “Red Lustre” Lancaster jar (right) which is actually a crystal jar with orange to cream enamel inside and enamel flower decorations on the lid.  The Celeste Blue jar in the middle looks like it has the “match stick” cut decoration.  There is also a green (or topaz) #943 covered bonbon on this shelf.  On the bottom shelf, I see a Velva Rose (pink) ½-pound #635 jar (left) and a topaz (Vaseline) jar on the right (which may be a Northwood one).  I’m going to cover these “Colonial” jars in a future article.  To the right of the topaz jar is a topaz Fenton puff jar.  The crystal jar to the left of the candy jar doesn’t appear to be a stretch glass piece.  It looks like one of the Fostoria jars that may have their Mother of Pearl (cold applied) iridescent coating.  The jars in the back are too faint for me to identify.

To: Phil in Phoenix

RE: May West candleholders

Your “May West” candleholders are in Diamond’s Blue Crackle color.  The term May West is not a name that Diamond used, they normally assigned numbers to their pieces.  Unfortunately, all the catalog pictures that figure this candleholder show it as part of a console set and no numbers have surfaced…yet.  So, in the meantime, May West will do!  LOL!  These cobalt blue pieces with true crackle effect (hold them up to the light, and you’ll see the crackle fractures in the glass) are always desirable pieces because they usually have great iridescent effects.  While not especially rare, they are on the “to lust for” list!  LOL!